I wasnt there for the defense and im just sticking my own ore in cause as some people have probably seen, im not overly fussed about voicing my opinions, if your 2 scared to say what you think you wont get very far or improve anything is the way i see it, but i digress I think the main little issue i have with the preatorioans atm, isnt their training because end of the day, they have earned their right to be preatorians. My little gripe with them is the fact that in some cases it seems to be One rule for Ordo and one rule for them, things that we as Ordo shouldnt be doing, isnt applying to them, like jumping into the red zone when its just a normal Defense, i know they are allowed in the Red zone If it calls for it, like sorting out an Issue or whatever, but when its just a normal defense they should sit behind the red line like the rest of us. The Elite training shouldnt make them excempt from the same Basic rules the Ordo as an organisation adere to. Just again, this is my own opinion not based on anyone elses thoughts. But the det packs on the points i do consider very cheap, reason behind it is because we already have so many defensive options with our build do we need to make it that much harder for them to cap the points, and as an elite group to me, would mean using the skills i myself possess, not using what i percive to be somewhat an underhanded tactic, Alls fair in love and war true, but often we do forget that dispite the way the community is, people still can get frustrated with such a tactic. If we were to compare this to IRL then that detpack would be in a sense useless unless you were able to sit and watch that pack and then explode it. I will say that if i were a preatorian (like that would happen) i wouldnt use such a tactic, because i myself should be enough of a weapon to not need it. Just my thoughts, not having a go at anyone just voicing my opinions as i usually do. Peace