[Ordo] Debunking Bullshit

[Aryte]

>> The Ordo Imperialis

>> Debunking Bullshit

> Bullshit: [13:12] Christoph Naumova: As a lot of you may know, and some of you

don't, the IS was attempting to attack the TAC as a whole, internally,

not on the battlefield

[13:12] Christoph Naumova: One of these attacks involved using

Tristan Blazer, who logged everything and sent it up the list

[13:13] Christoph Naumova: From what was logged and recorded, Aryte

approached him and the conversation turned into "Lets get ownership

for the IS in the TAC" groups

> Truth: [2010/08/18 18:38] Friedrich Sauber: (Saved Wed Aug 18 17:27:27 2010) Hey, aryte.

[2010/08/18 18:40] Aryte Vesperia: What's up?

[2010/08/18 18:40] Friedrich Sauber: 17:04] Christoph Naumova: So

[17:04] Christoph Naumova: Why RoG if its just gonna be killed again

[17:04] Christoph Naumova: Just curious since you're one of the most hardcore VG members I've known

[17:05] Gabe Barnstormer: You know I love Vanguard

[17:05] Gabe Barnstormer: But I owe this to RoG

[17:05] Christoph Naumova: I'm just gona kill it again

[17:06] Christoph Naumova: You know that right

[17:06] Gabe Barnstormer: It wont be killed if my plan works

[17:07] Christoph Naumova: Two of the people in the leadership

[17:07] Christoph Naumova: would give meo wnership if I asked

[17:07] Christoph Naumova: lol

[17:07] Gabe Barnstormer: I have no idea why he makes the mistake of puttin gRoli as 2IC everytime

[17:07] Gabe Barnstormer: putting*

[17:07] Christoph Naumova: He cant lead

[17:07] Christoph Naumova: He's a terrible leader

[17:07] Christoph Naumova: Like 9 RoG quit already

[17:07] Christoph Naumova: and joined VG

[17:07] Christoph Naumova: because of him

[17:07] Christoph Naumova: Hes

[2010/08/18 18:40] Friedrich Sauber: gonna kill it before it even starts bro

[17:08] Gabe Barnstormer: Bodies are of no concern to me

[17:08] Gabe Barnstormer: They can be replaced

[2010/08/18 18:40] Aryte Vesperia: I definitely just got this log a second ago.

[2010/08/18 18:41] Aryte Vesperia: Do I have you to thank for it?

[2010/08/18 18:41] Friedrich Sauber: Maybe.

[2010/08/18 18:41] Aryte Vesperia: Thanks.

[2010/08/18 18:41] Friedrich Sauber: I'm going to try to kick VG out of TAC.

[2010/08/18 18:41] Friedrich Sauber: if we do, i'm going to try to improve relations between TAC and IS.

[2010/08/18 18:41] Friedrich Sauber: and remove alot of the old rhetoric of crushing and destroying.

[2010/08/18 18:41] Aryte Vesperia: Sounds wonderful.

[2010/08/18 18:42] Friedrich Sauber: If you guys want to be more cooperative with TAC, i'll try to get it done.

[2010/08/18 18:42] Friedrich Sauber: so it's not just a giant hatefest with guns.

[2010/08/18 18:42] Aryte Vesperia: We definitely do.

[2010/08/18 18:42] Friedrich Sauber: I think it's important to let people know what's going on, and to be transparent about things like this.

[2010/08/18 18:42] Friedrich Sauber: Particularly to let everyone know Chris is a liar.

[2010/08/18 18:42] Friedrich Sauber: i'm rightfully pissed off, excuse the language.

[2010/08/18 18:43] Aryte Vesperia: With every right.

[2010/08/18 18:43] Friedrich Sauber: Also, i love your sim.

[2010/08/18 18:43] Friedrich Sauber: very brilliant.

[2010/08/18 18:44] Aryte Vesperia: Thank you.

[2010/08/18 18:44] Friedrich Sauber: Wouldn't say it if it wasn't true.

[2010/08/18 19:02] Friedrich Sauber: We plan on having the vote to kick VG out, and the resulting statement to be put into the battlefield gazette, and inviting IS leaders.

[2010/08/18 19:03] Friedrich Sauber: So that we can pass an official TAC vote asking for friendship and cooperation between TAC and IS.

[2010/08/18 19:03] Friedrich Sauber: which i expect to pass unanimously.

[2010/08/18 19:03] Friedrich Sauber: Just to kind of make a statement.

[2010/08/18 19:04] Friedrich Sauber: Would you be up to that?

[2010/08/18 19:04] Aryte Vesperia: That would be outstanding.

[2010/08/18 19:04] Aryte Vesperia: But expect 2142 to be a roadblock.

[2010/08/18 19:04] Friedrich Sauber: RoG is a permanent member to, i'll initiate the vote.

[2010/08/18 19:04] Friedrich Sauber: Infact, i asked reddot and regius to house the meeting

[2010/08/18 19:04] Friedrich Sauber: so that no one can intterupt.

[2010/08/18 19:04] Friedrich Sauber: In Tamarillo

[2010/08/18 19:05] Friedrich Sauber: I asked reddot to invite Lurdan

[2010/08/18 19:06] Friedrich Sauber: We (RoG and TAC) need to make a statement that we're not like Christoph and Vanguard.

[2010/08/18 19:06] Friedrich Sauber: And that we don't want to "destroy" other militaries.

[2010/08/18 19:06] Friedrich Sauber: like chris is attempting to do.

[2010/08/18 19:07] Friedrich Sauber: The meeting will be at 3 PM, tommorow.

[2010/08/18 19:07] Friedrich Sauber: that good?

[2010/08/18 19:08] Aryte Vesperia: I will be at work. But it's fine. Lurdan represents the IS as much as I.

[2010/08/18 19:08] Friedrich Sauber: Will will you be off of work?

[2010/08/18 19:08] Friedrich Sauber: when*

[2010/08/18 19:08] Aryte Vesperia: Not until 6:30.

[2010/08/18 19:10] Friedrich Sauber: It'll be cool, though.

[2010/08/18 19:25] Friedrich Sauber: i've decided not to go through with it, until the vote actually takes place.

[2010/08/18 19:25] Friedrich Sauber: So we know VG is leaving

[2010/08/18 19:25] Friedrich Sauber: That sounds safer.

[2010/08/18 19:25] Aryte Vesperia: Hm?

[2010/08/18 19:25] Friedrich Sauber: Yeah.

[2010/08/18 19:26] Friedrich Sauber: We don't know how easy it is to get VG kicked out.

[2010/08/18 19:26] Friedrich Sauber: I kind of stretched it further then i should have.

[2010/08/18 19:26] Friedrich Sauber: So we should wait until the actual vote is over.

[2010/08/18 19:26] Friedrich Sauber: before turning it into a circus.

[2010/08/18 19:26] Friedrich Sauber: You understand?

[2010/08/18 19:26] Aryte Vesperia: Aye.

[2010/08/18 19:27] Friedrich Sauber: An honest mistake, i got carried away.

[2010/08/18 19:27] Friedrich Sauber: But i'm going to try.

[2010/08/18 19:27] Friedrich Sauber: If vanguard doesn't go, RoG will.

[2010/08/18 19:27] Friedrich Sauber: that's all i can gurantee i guess.

[2010/08/18 19:28] Aryte Vesperia: Understood.

> . . . so . . . where’s the malicious attempt from the Ordo Imperialis to take over TAC there?

> Bullshit: [13:14] Christoph Naumova: I personally found out three questionables

in my group with power, who were found out to be ordo accounts, who

were then promptly ejected and removed

> . . Really, who?

> Bullshit: [13:35] steve319 Cao: Well i believe most of you have enjoyed decent

combat with us over the past couple of months I hope that continues if

acepted

[13:35] Arvid Sittingbull: sure

[13:35] steve319 Cao: we did have a brief chat with IS but found the

goals totaly incompatable

[13:36] steve319 Cao: for oen thing they wanted us to blockaide VG

> . . Uh, no where do we demand IS groups blockade VG. VAC does combat with VG, and VAC is Iron Symphony.

> Bullshit : [2010/09/12 13:20] Christoph Naumova: "Massive assault" has ended in "NEW JESSIE" three times.

> We’ve attacked New Jessie in an organized fashion, maybe .. twice in the last month. Whereas in Vanguard:

[19:07] Christoph Naumova shouts: Due to the fact that the IS has been rumored to assault a few allies tonight, you will all be deployed to new Jessie, to take and hold it, while remaining on standby to defend four allied sims. Because of this being random and decided, I am offering four valor for the first hour in new Jessie, and setting the tickrate of valor in new Jessie to 2 per 1 hour thereafter.

> It’s a stable diet!

> Bullshit: [2010/09/12 13:23] Christoph Naumova: True, Stephen, but they also claimed that they wouldn't put up with us in combat

[2010/09/12 13:23] Christoph Naumova: But we've defended against a few ordo assaults as of late

> There’s no evidence of that.

> Bullshit:

[2010/09/12 13:31] Christoph Naumova: Now, with Ordo's activity during major assaults.. I'm pretty sure nobody in this room will be able to counter attack with more then 5 people.

[2010/09/12 13:31] steve319 Cao: yeas mercz capped theres at 37

[2010/09/12 13:31] Mayra Roffo: Is it still set at 40?

[2010/09/12 13:31] Christoph Naumova: Yeah.

[2010/09/12 13:38] LordBob Boa: Titan is probably still at 40.

[2010/09/12 13:38] Christoph Naumova: It is. I had someone look.

> This meeting log comes from a day right after a major Ordo meeting, in which our pop had to be moved up to /70/ to accommodate Ordo members. It was still 70 at the time of the TAC meeting. It is currently set to 60, which is our standard. Christoph fed you all more bullshit, and you ate it.

When Bob says it’s “still at 40,” he neglects to mention:

Luke: aww yeh sim full

Aryte: Yeah that's a bitch.

Luke: there was 45 at one point

Luke: now 41

Luke: still capped

Luke: wat

Aryte: Sim limit's at 40. Same as yours.

Luke: then how'd it get up to 46

Aryte: VAC in IS spawn.

Aryte: Home set takes precedence over TPs.

Luke: You haven't always been 40

Aryte: You're right, sure haven't always been 40.

Luke: Okay, well if you were pulling something now to just make yourself look like them 2142 folks pulling the same stunt, I'd be upset.

Luke: Let you attack, told vg to go away

Luke: wasn't expecting any dickery :P

Aryte: I'll move the cap up juuust for you.

> It’s been higher then forty since then. It was only set to forty as a “isn’t this agitating?” statement, as .. it happens to us alllll the damn time when we attack 2142.

[2010/09/12 13:39] Mayra Roffo: The fact is Reddot that a avatar cap of 40 at Titan does not allow you to even come close to having even numbers

> At prime time, when there are 30+ Ordo online? Sure doesn’t. Same applies for 2142, but you’re not bitching at 2142 for their sim cap being 40?

[2010/09/12 13:41] LordBob Boa: Yes, they can change it. Or, we can pull the 'Sorry you can't attack because we've got 1 VG in our sim, thus prohibiting our assault.. which is also violating our rules as we cannot attack'.

> That’s bullshit. Change your sim cap, then?

* As a footnote, I don't object to LordBob as an individual, but to the statements made. I actually quite like LordBob. And you should too.

[RazorFox]

[Kiyaru Kanto]

If these people have the time and creativity to try and make ordo, if not IS look bad as an entirety I wonder why they aren't working on improving their own groups instead.

This is a sad day in the history of sad days

[Zerowinged Vasiliev]

Welcome to SL Military Combat.

No one will get along because they don't want to work together or get along. Seriously, it's a vicious circle.

Ordo blockaded VG -> VG (Christoph) blockades Ordo -> Ordo gets publicly pulled downward due to simple "word of mouth" and "supposed information" that is never uncovered. Same happens to other groups as well - Iron Symphony and The Anvil Coalition alike. People rely to much on the spoken/typed word(s) of other people and not the "information" that backs it up. Even then it could be falsified or made out-of-context.

As for improving groups, everyone is proactively doing that in one way or another. Soooo.

[Forgot what I was going to say originally. . . Meh]

[Lanny Ansar]

Sounds like i'mma need to read LL"s Terms of Service to its entirety sometime...what i've read is just plain rediculous. Most people who pull this slanderous bullshit in other games and places get kicked out or banned.

(Wait, hmm. Would it be Libel or Slander, since all of this is technically written? >_>)

[Crash Silverfall]

It just needs one person to ruin it for the rest.