Grim Troops 19MAR11 0905 - 0920

[Arch Graves]

At 0905 a large group of grim raiders had mass entered the sim for a raid, Ordo was called to react to this raid with heavy force based on past tactics used by the grim troops. Under this heavy weapons fire Grim decided to devolve to their basic instinct of insults, and smack talking.

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Name: Maxx Johin [ Unknown - Threat level: 4 ]

Profile: secondlife:///app/agent/1d749a3a-2f71-457b-a924-910b96940fec/about

[09:07] Mercury: Titan entry:

Name: Ranga Surtees [ Grim Troops - Threat level: 5 ]

Profile: secondlife:///app/agent/f1ee2904-e8fe-4077-9748-dd5257abcf8a/about

[09:07] Mercury: Titan entry:

Name: Dodi Benoir [ Organized Hostile - Threat level: 5 ]

Profile: secondlife:///app/agent/9f9de995-c7b6-4a3c-955b-80194146e23c/about

[09:07] Mercury: Titan entry:

Name: Sean007 Cooperstone [ AN - Threat level: 5 ]

Profile: secondlife:///app/agent/6395a82a-ef1e-48d1-a5ac-5d25a2280c2d/about

[09:07] Mercury: Titan entry:

Name: Vincey Fanshaw [ Grim Troops - Threat level: 5 ]

Profile: secondlife:///app/agent/b6069801-1fc3-4a46-aa3d-07bb26e71d81/about

[09:07] Mercury: Titan entry:

Name: Kirshak Clarity [ Grim Troops - Threat level: 5 ]

Profile: secondlife:///app/agent/a6209b8d-726e-4193-9ce9-d4ae1037f92c/about

[09:07] Mercury: Titan entry:

Name: Dylan Seminario [ Grim Troops - Threat level: 5 ]

Profile: secondlife:///app/agent/075091c3-b461-40c8-a978-90efb595fc75/about

[09:07] Mercury: New contact: Dylan Seminario

[09:07] Mercury: Lost contact: Vincey Fanshaw

[09:08] Mercury: New contact: Vincey Fanshaw

[09:08] Mercury: Hostile detected -> Ranga Surtees

[09:08] Mercury: Hostile detected -> Dodi Benoir

[09:08] Mercury: Hostile detected -> Sean007 Cooperstone

[09:08] Mercury: Hostile detected -> Kirshak Clarity

[09:08] Mercury: Hostile detected -> Vincey Fanshaw

[09:08] Mercury: Hostile detected -> Dylan Seminario

[09:08] [Ordo] Handheld Radio 1.0 (Stomach) 1: (Velani Karu) YOu seeing this Zrazor?

[09:08] [Ordo] Handheld Radio 1.0 (Stomach) 1: (Velani Karu) You know what this means! :O

[09:13] [Ordo] Handheld Radio 1.0 (Stomach) 1: (Soulios Dover) holy shit....

[09:14] [Ordo] Handheld Radio 1.0 (Stomach) 1: (Soulios Dover) i got spawnkilled twice!

[09:14] [Ordo] Handheld Radio 1.0 (Stomach) 1: (Giygas Blackheart) FAGGOT!

[09:14] [Ordo] Handheld Radio 1.0 (Stomach) 1: (Dylan Seminario) ordo changed to pussys

[09:15] [Ordo] Handheld Radio 1.0 (Stomach) 1: (Vincey Fanshaw) Woah I've never seen Ordo act like this.

[09:15] [Ordo] Handheld Radio 1.0 (Stomach) 1: (Kirshak Clarity) they are mad...before we take this bunker :o

[09:15] [Ordo] Handheld Radio 1.0 (Stomach) 1: (Ranga Surtees) That tanking is pretty newby

[09:15] [Ordo] Handheld Radio 1.0 (Stomach) 1: (Ranga Surtees) I'll search something FUN to attack.

[09:15] [Ordo] Handheld Radio 1.0 (Stomach) 1: (Dylan Seminario) as I said, pussys.

[09:16] [Ordo] Handheld Radio 1.0 (Stomach) 1: (Velani Karu) They reeeeaaaally dont like you guys

[09:16] [Ordo] Handheld Radio 1.0 (Stomach) 1: (Dylan Seminario) well I saw Valor fighting more fair than ordo do o:

[09:16] [Ordo] Handheld Radio 1.0 (Stomach) 1: (Vincey Fanshaw) Who's the CO of this?

[09:16] [Ordo] Handheld Radio 1.0 (Stomach) 1: (Dylan Seminario) that Zrazor guy

[09:16] [Ordo] Handheld Radio 1.0 (Stomach) 1: (Vincey Fanshaw) Ah no wonder.

[09:16] [Ordo] Handheld Radio 1.0 (Stomach) 1: (Dylan Seminario) and he is in a tank

[09:16] [Ordo] Handheld Radio 1.0 (Stomach) 1: (Vincey Fanshaw) Theyve got mechs, tanks and turrets out.

[09:16] [Ordo] Handheld Radio 1.0 (Stomach) 1: (Vincey Fanshaw) What the hell.

[09:16] [Ordo] Handheld Radio 1.0 (Stomach) 1: (Ranga Surtees) Can someone record this?

[09:16] [Ordo] Handheld Radio 1.0 (Stomach) 1: (Ranga Surtees) hahahah

[09:16] [Ordo] Handheld Radio 1.0 (Stomach) 1: (Sean007 Cooperstone) Got killed through the wall, nice

[09:16] [Ordo] Handheld Radio 1.0 (Stomach) 1: (Soulios Dover) you guys have the all go, any means to kill you guys

[09:17] [Ordo] Handheld Radio 1.0 (Stomach) 1: (Aero Silverblade) OMG GUIZE RECORD YOU GETTING BEATEN HARD

[09:17] [Ordo] Handheld Radio 1.0 (Stomach) 1: (Aero Silverblade) GOOD IDEA

[09:17] [Ordo] Handheld Radio 1.0 (Stomach) 1: (Dylan Seminario) shhhh Aero shhh

[09:17] [Ordo] Handheld Radio 1.0 (Stomach) 1: (Vincey Fanshaw) You think this is getting beaten hard?

[09:17] [Ordo] Handheld Radio 1.0 (Stomach) 1: (Aero Silverblade) IMMA TROLLZ YOU GUIZE

[09:17] [Ordo] Handheld Radio 1.0 (Stomach) 1: (Vincey Fanshaw) Being beaten hard would be by skill.

[09:17] [Ordo] Handheld Radio 1.0 (Stomach) 1: (Vincey Fanshaw) Not using tanks, turrets, mechs and bombs to hold us in the HUB

[09:18] [Ordo] Handheld Radio 1.0 (Stomach) 1: (Dylan Seminario) I see, you got no life since Erebus died.

[09:18] [Ordo] Handheld Radio 1.0 (Stomach) 1: (Velani Karu) lolairbus

[09:18] [Ordo] Handheld Radio 1.0 (Stomach) 1: (Aero Silverblade) Erebus was a better army than Grim will ever be

[09:18] [Ordo] Handheld Radio 1.0 (Stomach) 1: (Dylan Seminario) sure, that's why they died man.

[09:18] [Ordo] Handheld Radio 1.0 (Stomach) 1: (Weiler DeVinna) LOL

[09:18] [Ordo] Handheld Radio 1.0 (Stomach) 1: (Velani Karu) THAT I can agree on at least. Erebus > Grim

[09:18] [Ordo] Handheld Radio 1.0 (Stomach) 1: (Velani Karu) Fuck, Erebus > Grim WHILE Erebus is dead

[09:18] [Ordo] Handheld Radio 1.0 (Stomach) 1: (Velani Karu) HURR HURR

[09:19] [Ordo] Handheld Radio 1.0 (Stomach) 1: (Vincey Fanshaw) I refuse to battle with these guys.

[09:19] [Ordo] Handheld Radio 1.0 (Stomach) 1: (Vincey Fanshaw) They are being sick today.

[09:19] [Ordo] Handheld Radio 1.0 (Stomach) 1: (Ranga Surtees) Guys go home.

[09:19] [Ordo] Handheld Radio 1.0 (Stomach) 1: (Vincey Fanshaw) This is what combat shouldn't be.

[09:19] [Ordo] Handheld Radio 1.0 (Stomach) 1: (Ranga Surtees) This is just cheating

[09:19] [Ordo] Handheld Radio 1.0 (Stomach) 1: (Vincey Fanshaw) If Aryte was watching this he would puke.

[09:19] [Ordo] Handheld Radio 1.0 (Stomach) 1: (Ranga Surtees) Go home, we will not fight this. It's just pahteitic

[09:19] [Ordo] Handheld Radio 1.0 (Stomach) 1: (Velani Karu) I dunno, he might lolhard

[09:19] [Ordo] Handheld Radio 1.0 (Stomach) 1: (Dylan Seminario) they just want their free time to YIFFYFURACTIONYFURACTION

[09:20] [Ordo] Handheld Radio 1.0 (Stomach) 1: (Kirshak Clarity) i'm really disapointed by Ordo...i've never see them act like that

[09:20] [Ordo] Handheld Radio 1.0 (Stomach) 1: (Soulios Dover) talk to them and you will find out why they are doing this, all im saying :3

[09:20] [Ordo] Handheld Radio 1.0 (Stomach) 1: (Velani Karu) I wonder what Zrazor thinks of it. Would Aryte lolhard at this? :X

[09:20] [Ordo] Handheld Radio 1.0 (Stomach) 1: (Dodi Benoir) What do you expect they are YIFFYFURACTIONYFURACTIONers

[09:21] [Ordo] Handheld Radio 1.0 (Stomach) 1: (Velani Karu) CATI > Grim. NOW THATS SAYING SOMETHING, I -HATE- CATI.

[09:21] [Ordo] Handheld Radio 1.0 (Stomach) 1: (Aero Silverblade) Area secure.

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In review this is just another example of how Grim Troops contunues to show us disrespect, and slander. I am going to request that blockade is once again at least considered, our member base does not deserve to be disrespected in this manner.

-Legionarius Arch Graves

[Crash Silverfall]

I agree on this, what a bunch of assholes.

[Desereck Creeggan]

If they didn't bring out the heavy weapons first, we should not have used heavy weapons to combat them with.

That aside, I lol'd.

[RazorFox]

If they didn't bring out the heavy weapons first, we should not have used heavy weapons to combat them with.

That aside, I lol'd.

Okay, picture this. You've been up all night and you've spent literally ten hours defending against lone-wolfers non-stop. No breaks longer than a few minutes at a time, just lone-wolfers all night for ten straight hours, dealing with cheeseshit spamcannons and horse vagina ninja backflip AOs and broken English and shitty attitudes. Things seem quiet and it seems like you might finally have enough time to take a much-needed goddamn smoke break but oh, check it out, here comes Grim Troops. You ever fought Grim Troops? The only time I ever see them in Titan with any numbers is in the early AM, sometime between 5 and 7 AM SLT usually, and they do the same thing every time. They rush to the Forge in the NE corner as fast as they can, cap the objective, and then hole up down there. They use a lot of aggressive gesture-TPing so they're goddamn close to impossible to remove because in addition to immediately TPing everyone back there at every opportunity, they all wireframe. They do this for usually a couple hours.

So in my sleep-deprived state, having spent the whole night not only fighting these people off (entertaining them, really), but also trying to keep track of how long each bored keyboard-warrior had been there, trying to figure out how to divvy up all those Mercury reports in a way that made sense (gave up on that sometime around 7 AM my time), trying to enforce rules upon people that respond with bitching and name-calling because they're convinced that I just couldn't handle their l337ness, and trying to keep track of intermittent visitors running around, maybe I lost my head a little bit.

It's easy to try to say it should've been done by the book and all when you weren't there but I would bet money that if you were in my shoes, you'd be singing an entirely different tune. Everybody that had been there with me the whole time had my back on it.

[Zacharias Bardasch]

See that last part is where you should step back and re-read it. If you're sleep-deprived and been defending/managing defense for ten hours, maybe it's a good idea to hand OIC off to someone else and take a break. We got plenty of able NCOs that can handle it for a while and, most importantly, won't go unleashing unholy hell on every hostile who enters sim.

And towards Arch specifically, they responded in much the same way I personally would. From their point of view, to come on sim and immediately get bombed into the stoneage isn't fun or challenging; it's stupid and makes us look like a pack of asses.

But that aside, the group as a whole was not bashing so much as specifically Dylan Seminario was. I recommend he be taken care of before anyone else.

Edited March 19, 2011 by Zacharias Bardasch

[Mark Karlfeldt]

I know we're going to have a "battery recharge" day, but honestly, that isn't enough. Defence has literally been back to back against lonewolves. I think many of us can agree that lowering the lonewolf attack time limit from 90 minutes to 60 or even 45 would be a welcome change.

[Rei Kuhr]

I'll defend Zrazor here. There was way too much going on today with the morning hours. Lots of people coming in and bitching. People using questionable weapons. And there was almost always no break. In fact when I was there, one person had been fighting, one had just started, and by the second finally hit his limit, a third appeared.

[Altus Nirvana]

I challenge anyone to Zrazor's position. Nightshift is not fun when you have this amount of dipshits running amok when you've only got a minute handful (At Best) of teammates to stand next to you at that hour of the morning. People going to sleep still logged in, giving you the false impression you have the ability to hand off OIC, and nobody answers the call.

Not saying much can be changed, thats just the way Nightshift is, and those guys as well as a few other groups KNOW it hurts to strike at that early in the morning. So cut em' some slack, thats a hard morning to wait all night to greet with not many to stand beside you on a typical basis!

[Jeffery Worbridge]

See that last part is where you should step back and re-read it. If you're sleep-deprived and been defending/managing defense for ten hours, maybe it's a good idea to hand OIC off to someone else and take a break. We got plenty of able NCOs that can handle it for a while and, most importantly, won't go unleashing unholy hell on every hostile who enters sim.

And towards Arch specifically, they responded in much the same way I personally would. From their point of view, to come on sim and immediately get bombed into the stoneage isn't fun or challenging; it's stupid and makes us look like a pack of asses.

But that aside, the group as a whole was not bashing so much as specifically Dylan Seminario was. I recommend he be taken care of before anyone else.

I agree with this statement.

Even though the Nightshift is left with a minimal amount of people, there are still others to hand off OIC to. Especially in a sense when you're tired and need rest. Yes, it's significant to defend Titan but Real Life comes before Second Life. In this situation Real Life really came first because then we have issues where tired OIC's have difficult leading the line. I also agree that I probably would've reacted the same way if I entered the sim. The original post seems too vague to show any type of harassment. Were there any IMs where they actually slandered or acted disrespectful toward us?

Put yourself in Grim Troop's shoes, and if you were to attack a sim and faced with harsh techniques - how would you react?

[Aryte]

Regardless of what force was applied by the OIC's command, the disrespect afforded toward the Ordo is fairly mitigating toward command error. Noting that Grim was aware who the OIC was at the time, I do not find it unreasonable to believe it was within their capability to message him and lodge a complaint / request for de-escalation of arms. Standing in our spawn talking shit is not a de-escalation in any shape, way, or form.

However, sleep deprivation is not necessarily a viable excuse to institute unusual application of force. I trust there was reason beyond that.

Regardless, this is an administrative issue. Debate is unnecessary.

[Agares Tretiak]

Disregard my post, Aryte beat me to the punch.

[Exterminatus Footman]

I agree with this statement.

Even though the Nightshift is left with a minimal amount of people, there are still others to hand off OIC to. Especially in a sense when you're tired and need rest. Yes, it's significant to defend Titan but Real Life comes before Second Life. In this situation Real Life really came first because then we have issues where tired OIC's have difficult leading the line. I also agree that I probably would've reacted the same way if I entered the sim. The original post seems too vague to show any type of harassment. Were there any IMs where they actually slandered or acted disrespectful toward us?

Put yourself in Grim Troop's shoes, and if you were to attack a sim and faced with harsh techniques - how would you react?

In order to put myself in Grim Troop's shoes, I'd have to be following a leader who griefed both the Ordo and the Merczateers, daily, for over a month, utilizing sim crashing munitions each time. They're lead by someone who tolerates and allows shit talking and improfessional disrespect by his troops to happen on a normal basis. We hold ourselves to higher standards, backed by a strict and well upheld structure of rules and regulations. I don't think any of us can relate to what they do on a daily basis.