Aryte Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 Until further notice, under no circumstance are Ordo personnel to defend or assist the Echelon Union spare with explicit approval from the Office of the Impeator. Any visitation of EU territory in official Ordo capacity (in attire and wielding any of our gear) is also prohibited.This decision is on reason of EU HC refusing to remove known copybotters whom have purposely targeted Ordo material, such as the individual known as Dezno Parx. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayce Iredell Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 Sir, what should we do if they come to Titan? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aryte Posted January 5, 2009 Author Share Posted January 5, 2009 EU whom are possible problems are banned. The rest are ok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sekonda Huet Posted January 6, 2009 Share Posted January 6, 2009 :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syl Kiranov Posted January 6, 2009 Share Posted January 6, 2009 I assume the idea behind this is that we don't want to expose our gear to a known copybotter, thus no visiting EU with gear on (just as we don't wear our gear outside of our official duties, partly for the same reason.) So there's no reason to give other EU a hard time when they show up in Titan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sekonda Huet Posted January 6, 2009 Share Posted January 6, 2009 It's nearly impossible to copybot something that is worn by an avatar. You can take skin textures and profile information easily but even that is being corrected by Linden Labs. As for prim copying the code to do such a thing was acctually removed by "libsl" the creators of the tools required by proxy to run the bot. Thusly to acctually do so would require someone with an immence knowledge of code for programs of this nature and would have to reprogram copybot, the actual copybot was "sabotaged" completely to disallow such practises by libsl and is pretty useless at this point in Second Life because there is no desire to continue the project because they keep being cut off by Linden Lab's technicians.Realisticaly and in this case it's not going to happen.It is possible to brute force an objects information and open it in an open source sim but again we're talking about a lot of resources here and a large understanding of the code. Even then it's not a prim copy, but meerly information interepreted by the code to produce a basic shape that can be built upon, recovering textures from items is also no longer possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nakita Posted January 6, 2009 Share Posted January 6, 2009 Sekonda Huet wrote:It's nearly impossible to copybot something that is worn by an avatar. You can take skin textures and profile information easily but even that is being corrected by Linden Labs. As for prim copying the code to do such a thing was acctually removed by "libsl" the creators of the tools required by proxy to run the bot. Thusly to acctually do so would require someone with an immence knowledge of code for programs of this nature and would have to reprogram copybot, the actual copybot was "sabotaged" completely to disallow such practises by libsl and is pretty useless at this point in Second Life because there is no desire to continue the project because they keep being cut off by Linden Lab's technicians.Realisticaly and in this case it's not going to happen.It is possible to brute force an objects information and open it in an open source sim but again we're talking about a lot of resources here and a large understanding of the code. Even then it's not a prim copy, but meerly information interepreted by the code to produce a basic shape that can be built upon, recovering textures from items is also no longer possible.It happened all the time last year around this time Sek. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sekonda Huet Posted January 6, 2009 Share Posted January 6, 2009 Yes... Last year. This is one year on of advancement in defences and disadvantages towards developers who no longer care, hence it's now defunct really. It's not even supported anymore and the people that hosted it, libsl, PN and Partyvan don't bother with it anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nakita Posted January 6, 2009 Share Posted January 6, 2009 After it came around the first time (two years ago) everyone thought LL had closed the holes that caused it. Well, that was proven wrong. It is possible to have come back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sekonda Huet Posted January 6, 2009 Share Posted January 6, 2009 Nah that fellah Uildiar done his client thingy with Soft Linden thru FurNation Admins and fixed most of it tho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vladimus Nikolaidis Posted January 6, 2009 Share Posted January 6, 2009 I'm not sure about the original style copybot where you can jack things directly from avatars, but it is 100% possible to copy something that is rezzed inworld on the ground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sekonda Huet Posted January 6, 2009 Share Posted January 6, 2009 Given that's the case, anyone setting their armor down outside Titan is just as responsible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inoue Katsu Posted January 6, 2009 Share Posted January 6, 2009 Sekonda Huet wrote:It's nearly impossible to copybot something that is worn by an avatar. You can take skin textures and profile information easily but even that is being corrected by Linden Labs. As for prim copying the code to do such a thing was acctually removed by "libsl" the creators of the tools required by proxy to run the bot. Thusly to acctually do so would require someone with an immence knowledge of code for programs of this nature and would have to reprogram copybot, the actual copybot was "sabotaged" completely to disallow such practises by libsl and is pretty useless at this point in Second Life because there is no desire to continue the project because they keep being cut off by Linden Lab's technicians.Realisticaly and in this case it's not going to happen.It is possible to brute force an objects information and open it in an open source sim but again we're talking about a lot of resources here and a large understanding of the code. Even then it's not a prim copy, but meerly information interepreted by the code to produce a basic shape that can be built upon, recovering textures from items is also no longer possible.Now people just change the opensource SL client to do exactly the same thing.Its not that hard ... recieve prim dimensions and paramters from the grid and inject them again as create/modify prims on different coordinates.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vladimus Nikolaidis Posted January 6, 2009 Share Posted January 6, 2009 Sekonda Huet wrote:Given that's the case, anyone setting their armor down outside Titan is just as responsible.Yep. People have been ejected for it in the past. If anyone asks to see any of your Ordo stuff, SHOW THEM WITH YOU WEARING IT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phillip Hultcrantz Posted January 6, 2009 Share Posted January 6, 2009 Sekonda Huet wrote: recovering textures from items is also no longer possible.Really? I'll proove you wrong on that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cygna Posted January 6, 2009 Share Posted January 6, 2009 Sekonda Huet wrote:It's nearly impossible to copybot something that is worn by an avatar. You can take skin textures and profile information easily but even that is being corrected by Linden Labs. As for prim copying the code to do such a thing was acctually removed by "libsl" the creators of the tools required by proxy to run the bot. Thusly to acctually do so would require someone with an immence knowledge of code for programs of this nature and would have to reprogram copybot, the actual copybot was "sabotaged" completely to disallow such practises by libsl and is pretty useless at this point in Second Life because there is no desire to continue the project because they keep being cut off by Linden Lab's technicians.Realisticaly and in this case it's not going to happen.It is possible to brute force an objects information and open it in an open source sim but again we're talking about a lot of resources here and a large understanding of the code. Even then it's not a prim copy, but meerly information interepreted by the code to produce a basic shape that can be built upon, recovering textures from items is also no longer possible.Ho ho ho.I beg to differ, you clearly haven't been around the block. I watched Hugo's boots (while he was wearing them) be copybotted, in the air, 10 seconds, and the person put them on. She then proceeded to say they sucked on her avatar, and took em off. Then copybotted his outfit, 20 seconds, right infront of us. The prims were rezzed as cubes, they formed themselves, sculpties were added, then textures (mapped correctly), and she was set.Either A) This guy is special or B) he came from the past when copybotting was possibleOh yeah, many people possess the abilities to recover any texture from any object (including sculpts, and the sculpt's UV map). Certainly not me though, *rolls eyes* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sekonda Huet Posted January 6, 2009 Share Posted January 6, 2009 You know nothing of me. D:I'm aware of how it's programmed and I've seen it being tested, I assure you it doesn't work like that anymore. The object cannot be taken from a persons avatar it has to be rezzed as its own object, the reason being is when the copybot communicates with the avatar it reads only one key, not the multiuple asset keys for each object.The best you could do is approach the PN and ask them directly if it's possible, wether or not they say is something you'll find out.I've witnessed the same thing you have tho, but I had to have an item rezzed, I was shown the copybot in action where it took a piece by piece copy of my tail, and even then it did not arrange them in the order as if it had been duplicated because it simply does not have the avility to do so, then again it may not be quite so difficult with something thats only 30 prims whereas the tail is some 70 prims. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sekonda Huet Posted January 6, 2009 Share Posted January 6, 2009 What I am aware of tho at the moment is that it is entirely possible to rip scripts out of an object by brute force, this comes from the recent stuff over at JLU when their little communications server was hacked from inside SL.The Copybot required the use of two seperate avatars, you could not use a copybot for the account you were signed in on, you needed a "ghost" avatar to run via proxy and libsl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cygna Posted January 6, 2009 Share Posted January 6, 2009 Sekonda Huet wrote:What I am aware of tho at the moment is that it is entirely possible to rip scripts out of an object by brute force, this comes from the recent stuff over at JLU when their little communications server was hacked from inside SL.The Copybot required the use of two seperate avatars, you could not use a copybot for the account you were signed in on, you needed a "ghost" avatar to run via proxy and libslHaha, those people who can rip sculpts certainly don't need to brute force. Those people can do it at the press of a button. ;) Yus, I can ask those people to prove it to you.You speak with such experienced lingo, yet you don't address the simple concept of most data being given to the user's client-- textures, animations, prims, sculpts... it's just a matter of having a program that rips that data and lets you have access to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sekonda Huet Posted January 6, 2009 Share Posted January 6, 2009 yes that program is libsl, which was sabotaged and blocked by linden, and the creators never bothered to do a work around. Its like when 4chan was repeatedly sage bombed and it stopped because the Chan boards kept finding ways to reject the sage, thus sages or the program "SaviourChan" ceased to exist and be supported. Anyone can grab a copybot and use it, getting it to work the way you wanted to requires recoding the actual program, considering its no longer open source and not supported by its creator NEXIS it's no longer working.Copybot isnt the issue or libsl, Unless something else has been created and is being mistaken for Copybot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cygna Posted January 6, 2009 Share Posted January 6, 2009 And, if you didn't know this, there is no way that Linden Labs can stop texture-nabbing. All textures get sent to your client for your graphics card to read and apply.Well, there is a way. It involves not sending anything to the client at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cygna Posted January 6, 2009 Share Posted January 6, 2009 Sekonda Huet wrote:yes that program is libsl, which was sabotaged and blocked by linden, and the creators never bothered to do a work around. Its like when 4chan was repeatedly sage bombed and it stopped because the Chan boards kept finding ways to reject the sage, thus sages or the program "SaviourChan" ceased to exist and be supported. Anyone can grab a copybot and use it, getting it to work the way you wanted to requires recoding the actual program, considering its no longer open source and not supported by its creator NEXIS it's no longer working.Copybot isnt the issue or libsl, Unless something else has been created and is being mistaken for Copybot.... No, that program is not libsl. I've never even heard of libsl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sekonda Huet Posted January 6, 2009 Share Posted January 6, 2009 Snake feeding time, back later! LIBSL was used to hack the Alliance Navy's vendors. When that all happened. I'll show you the documents on it later, as for the texture theft from a graphics card your clutching at straws here with trojan viruses to read that information... Giving the botters way too much credit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cygna Posted January 6, 2009 Share Posted January 6, 2009 ... Sekonda, I have come to the conclusion that you have literally no idea what you're talking about. That last post made no sense at all. /me facepalmsLet it be known to everyone else reading this: Everything is possible. If you don't believe me, persist in delusion (lul liek Sekonda).I'm done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keno Posted January 6, 2009 Share Posted January 6, 2009 Sekonda Huet wrote:...as for the texture theft from a graphics card your clutching at straws here with trojan viruses to read that information... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
