Arch Graves Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 So after dealing with children today that like to twist things to their own whim, I've come up with this warning. If you ever intend to get mad about being insulted, or someone using vulgar words, or teasing, don't you dare act the same way, or ever laugh at it at all. If it's OK once, it's always OK, not just when you are having a bad day. Don't be hypocritical, if you do intend to take offence when somebody does this, never do it yourself, ever. If you are upset, keep your mouth shut.TLDR; Stop trying to use the rules only when you are having a bad day to get people in trouble. If it's OK once with you, it's always OK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ruin Nefarious Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 There is a time and place. Pretty twisted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dempster Duncker Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 I've written at length on this topic directly to command several times in the past, mostly because I revel in mischief and try to explain my actions and what motivates me to act certain ways. It's a very controversial topic when discussed within a highly structured social environment with definitive regulations on behavior, however there is always a "grey area" when it comes to actually applying those regulations. As Ruin stated, there's always a place and time for these things, and the way to handle the situation is never clear cut from case to case. Unfortunately for those of us who enjoy being mischievous, the law or regulation is always the end-all definitive last word in all cases, the only matter of whether or not the law or regulation is applied is if someone decides to act upon them.This is simply put that anyone, at any time, can decide that they don't particularly approve of an action another is doing, and depending on their morals, disposition and sadly, sometimes self-interest, they can either turn a blind eye and play along with what's going on, or they can apply their right to report infractions. It sucks, but it happens, but it's the right of every individual to do so. It falls upon the person causing the mischief or disturbance to be accountable for their own actions, and be responsible enough to realize that they are, in fact, breaking the law or regulation, and that at any time they can be subject to corrections and/or punishment.I don't mean to sound like a complete stiff or a rulebook thumper, as I'm probably the worst role model for upholding regulation, but the subject is always in the back of my mind. I often cause a LOT of disturbance whenever I'm on Titan, but I know that there is a time and place for such things and it helps to keep mental notes on who does and does NOT appreciate my antics and to respect their stand on such things. I don't like turncoats either, but I realize that it can happen and I just deal with it the best I can when it does. And it's happened quite a few times!Vulgar language or teasing is never a good idea, but it's easily digested in smaller groups with close friends rather than a large audience of people who may or may not know the person speaking. We're a huge group with a wide variety of ethnicities, morals and cultural backgrounds, so it never hurts to be civil even if others are not.It's twisted, it's ugly, and often times completely unfair. But that's the law, and that's the way it works. Sorta.jesus christ tl;dr grey areas are a mess Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Reisman Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 Video is relevant.[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLsCR2RMBak Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acheron Gloom Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 Well there /is/ a reason we have the main channel and then we have the sub-discussion and private channels on vent.Unless I'm referring to something Arch isn't referring to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acheron Gloom Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 Well there /is/ a reason we have the main channel and then we have the sub-discussion and private channels on vent.Unless I'm referring to something Arch isn't referring to.No idea how I double posted... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiridates Mikadze Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 There are still lines, times, and places where certain kinds of behaviors are unacceptable, no matter how familiar you may feel with the person in question. Discretion and responsibility are swords that cut both ways, do not invoke them unless you can withstand the same measure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arch Graves Posted June 8, 2011 Author Share Posted June 8, 2011 I just have to disagree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lilium Supermarine Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 Video is relevant.[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLsCR2RMBakTroll Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dempster Duncker Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 I just have to disagree.I disagree with what's happened to you as well, to a certain extent. It's despicable for someone to turn on you and then proceed to demonstrate the same activities or characteristics in which with they defamed you. Hypocrisy is an annoying, disgusting and immoral thing.I'm completely with you on that matter.However just because someone is a hypocrite, it doesn't take away a person's access to the same fundamental rights as everyone else. As said before there's a time and place for things, and some people in the group just plainly like to have a certain amount of order and civility, which is totally acceptable and respected. Whether or not they uphold their own ideals is another matter and isn't really up for discussion with an open audience.The best advice I can give is just to ignore it, and keep a mental note to not associate yourself with or approach the person in question unless absolutely necessary. If it continues to bother you, approach an authoritative figure in the group and discuss your grievance privately, and not in an open forum.Will it do you any good? Maybe, I can't say for certain. But it's far better than airing your frustrations in public which will undoubtedly cause more harm than good for both parties involved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lilium Supermarine Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 I disagree with what's happened to you as well, to a certain extent. It's despicable for someone to turn on you and then proceed to demonstrate the same activities or characteristics in which with they defamed you. Hypocrisy is an annoying, disgusting and immoral thing.I'm completely with you on that matter.However just because someone is a hypocrite, it doesn't take away a person's access to the same fundamental rights as everyone else. As said before there's a time and place for things, and some people in the group just plainly like to have a certain amount of order and civility, which is totally acceptable and respected. Whether or not they uphold their own ideals is another matter and isn't really up for discussion with an open audience.The best advice I can give is just to ignore it, and keep a mental note to not associate yourself with or approach the person in question unless absolutely necessary. If it continues to bother you, approach an authoritative figure in the group and discuss your grievance privately, and not in an open forum.Will it do you any good? Maybe, I can't say for certain. But it's far better than airing your frustrations in public which will undoubtedly cause more harm than good for both parties involved.Good post, agreed and feels the same/does the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Altus Nirvana Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 There is a time and place. Pretty twisted.Thats really all it is. If someone is obviously not in the mood, dont go bouncing around them like its all sunshine and farts. If your in a bad mood, dont go dealing with the people who think its all sunshine and farts. On Vent (or TS) if your in a bad mood, dont try to bend the crowd because of it, and dont go picking apart the guy who is in the bad mood. As for what Arch said, suddenly going ironfist with the rulebook when its completely polar to your nature because your in a bad mood is bullshit. Say something like "cut it out, Im not up for it today" im sure everyone here in ordo will halt and stop, hell even be a shoulder if you want it. If they dont, then you can/or find someone throat punch them with the rulebook. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ratchet Exonar Posted June 9, 2011 Share Posted June 9, 2011 Video is relevant.[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLsCR2RMBakGeorge, i could see you being in that, just saying >.> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox Cheri Posted June 9, 2011 Share Posted June 9, 2011 There are still lines, times, and places where certain kinds of behaviors are unacceptable, no matter how familiar you may feel with the person in question. Discretion and responsibility are swords that cut both ways, do not invoke them unless you can withstand the same measure.^I second that. No need to contribute further. Just sayin' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agares Tretiak Posted June 9, 2011 Share Posted June 9, 2011 I would point out, yes. It is wrong that an officer to allow themselves be demeaned in any manner. Tolerance is not always a good thing, when you take on the position of an officer. There must be lines drawn, and that anyone would let themselves be treated in this way, friend or no is questionable. But it is also wrong to believe you could get away with insulting an officer in public, no matter how 'friendly' it is. It's not that someone who you perceived as a friend took you down a peg on the issue, it's that you were told such actions are no longer acceptable. Projecting your own reasoning on to another person does not make that projection any more true.The only perceived hypocrisy was someone tolerating your own faulty behavior, until they had enough of such behavior. The only reason previous punishments were withheld, is because they used their discretion, and choose not to have you punished in the past. That that changed, suddenly, is why this thread exists: It's because you're angry you got told it wasn't going to be tolerated anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lilium Supermarine Posted June 9, 2011 Share Posted June 9, 2011 I think this has gone on long enough, as many have said. The issue appears to be resolved and i think everyone can move on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
