Agares Tretiak

So I wrote a short essay and sent it to the Imperator, and now he's all like POST IT NOW! D:< ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Military Discipline "Military Discipline is a state of order and obedience existing within a command. It involves the ready subordination of the will of the individual for the good of the group. Military discipline is an extension and specialized application of the discipline demands habitual but reasoned obedience that preserves initiative and functions unfalteringly even in the absence of the commander. Discipline is created within a command by instilling a sense of confidence and responsibility in each individual." -Anonymous This description clearly defines all the necessary basic components that compromise military and it's use. Without it, an organization with the oft times grim purpose as the military, would not be able to survive. It is as much as self-imposition of will and moral strength, as it is an enforced set of rules from commanders. The self-disciplined make the most accomplished soldiers, because they understand the need to master themselves in every respect, in order to better accomplish whatever goals or tasks are given to them. The poor solider suffers in ignorance of this need, and serves to destroy those around them through an inability to exert the necessary restraint. Can a military create such discipline in every soldier? Truthfully, no. A military can provide every tool, every environment necessary to foster such a thing as discipline, but only the individual in the military can actually become disciplined. It is a matter of choice, and because of that, not everyone who joins a military will exhibit such traits. However, this does not mean that a soldier, of high rank or low, should never try to develop discipline in themselves or those who are around or subordinate to them. This sharing of experience, knowledge, and will can impart the crucial catalyst for the otherwise reluctant soldier who has no self-discipline. It can be seen in many of the various, deep, and ancient military traditions that soldiers of legendary stature and skill attained such through hard work and a total dominance over themselves. The Japanese samurai, the Roman legionnaire, the European Knight, the Native American Warriors, the Persian Immortals, and the Laconic hopilite were all known for their ability to control themselves in order to achieve victory and the skill needed to help themselves and their comrades in arms through battle. The essence of this can be found in devoting one's time away from only military pursuits that required discipline, but others as well, ranging from practical to sublime. The Samurai were known to study flower arranging, the Knights studied hunting and courtly graces, the legionnaires were made of farmers and various tradesmen, the Immortals studied poetry and math. Discipline can be found in the devotion to not only the tasks one enjoys, or are good at, but also the tasks that one disdains or dislikes most. By forcing oneself to work on things one would normally find boring or senseless, one can strengthen their resolve, and even find purpose they did not realize existed previously. A successful military creates conditions where these things are encouraged and allowed to grow. The modern military often offer college level education and training as well scholarships to it's soldiers to make them better individuals, on and off the battlefield. By following the long established tradition of self discipline, it allows an officer to better conduct his men and save their lives in combat because he can focus on applying each man where he is most needed, rather than addressing each soldier's weaknesses in self control on the eve of battle.This is how an army can help ensure it's victory, because each soldier has been gifted the confidence in themselves and their peers as well as superiors, that allows them to carry the day as a team. Praetorian Guardsman Agares Tretiak

I have no idea what happened there.

With Cristoph, you never know. It's like he took the worst concepts of military organization, and made them his own. It's pathetic and sad.

Looks like he's watching lolis...

I generally don't show off my character art, but here you go. One of Tiri's diabolical creations.

No, but I bet we could scrounge up Uldrad Ulthran is a dick.

Maks, I do have a problem with it. And calling Aryte "nigga" in public communication seems entirely inappropriate. While I can respect and understand your wanting to demonstrate respect in your own specific manner, I think your efforts would be better put to use to just follow general decorum.

I like to try to see how high I can get using my barricade. I've reached the Vae Victus twice, thus far. >_<

Like waistcoats?

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Translation: "I cannot spell or assemble a coherent argument without first butchering the grammar thoroughly." Furthermore, I realize Rome lost a number of battles. However, its general military dominance is hard to ignore, in comparison to Greece's, which fell to pieces. Who can forget that Hannibal led troops into the very heart of Italy and waged war until Rome could muster the forces to come and defeat his men? But defeat them, Rome did. If you want to be an epic enemy of Rome, look at Carthage. Naturally, this is academic, but the fact of the matter remains that some of your history seems more than a bit spotty. As to Aryte not being the Imperator: all I can say is "Are you dense? Are you stupid or something? He's the goddamn Batman." He is very much a general, from what I've seen... being one of his personal guards and all.

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Thank you Mith, I don't think I could have stated that last part better, myself. I agree entirely. Which is why I brought it to the forefront of discussion, because many, if not all the Officers, Praetorians, and NCOs read the boards, and I hoped it'd spark the desire to make sure this is handed onto everyone who doesn't read the forum.

Well, using the Greek Goddess of Wisdom (and also to some degree, war) is better than how you'd treat the old dame. Also, the Roman state religion was more pomp, circumstance, and ornamental. Admittedly, certain parts were given credence as fact (oracles, seers, festivals, and the gods of hearth and home) but they assembled their pantheon of deities from a variety of sources. Ishtar, for instance, or Janus, both of whom where not indigenous to the Romans. Thing is, Bruno... the Romans took even the gods of their conquered subjects. Their very -gods-. Furthermore, Rome traditionally got it's origins from people who survived Troy, the ancestors of Aeneas, who settled with the Latians of the Italian peninsula. More accurately, there may be some credence to this, which would explain a number of the Hellenistic influences. Also, of course, Greece was at one point the controller of the Med ( for the most part). But that was under Athens, rather than Sparta, Bruno. The Aetolian League. After the fall of Athens, Greece found itself with gradually more and more insular colonies. And in the end, Rome controlled more of the world, longer, than Greece ever did, because it united, where as Greece was comprised of warring city-states that generally didn't get along too well. It took a Macedonian, hardly someone who was Greek, to unite and control the city-states, and that fell to pieces after he died. At least Rome had the grace to impregnate more of the world with it's thoughts, and then recede quietly into oblivion, only to rise over and over again in newer empires. So yeah. Don't lecture us on history.

>:( Comissars go through rigourous training, and though a psychotic ex-Adeptus Astartes Marine is capable of doing the job in theory, it's just not the same when it's an axe to the skull, rather than a pistol shot to the back of the head of fleeing IG infantry.

Indeed. It's murrific ... shoot me. Your wish is my command. *loads gun, cocks, pulls trigger, curses, releases safety, shoots self in foot.* Close enough.

It's like Mystery Science Theater 3000, but with furries and Gunau?

I've never seen anything that would say otherwise, than that the Imperator is gracious and benevolent towards all his men, but also gives them the ability to their jobs, and holds them responsible for doing it.

Yes, informal chatter is necessary to familiarize yourself with everyone in the organization, which I know and acknowledge. What I'm saying is that when someone goes up to Aryte, in uniform, and says, "Wassup my niggas." Or just arbitrarily approach him for an order they could have gotten from an NCO or Officer or heck, checking the COM channel, I see a problem. If they did this in IMs or in some other private matter, or something not directly related to official Ordo business, I see no problem at all.

That's the thing, he made three different orders, and only on the last one did any of them follow it. And yes, the channel was silent. But every moment up to that point, it was jostling and people talking over one another. But even then, the vent protocols weren't being followed, even though it was just a training exercise. While I know all of us can tell the difference, to make the training most effective, is to treat it as though it was a real combat situation. Furthermore, I've seen it's far easier to attempt to give a verbal command on vent, than in chat, a fact not overlooked by others in the Ordo. I was using that situation as a recent example of a lapse in basic decorum, which I feel it is important for me to point out. I did try to make use of the vent to make some simple observations on enemies and possible opportunities for us to gain the upper hand, but I'll be the first to admit I was relatively silent as well, and I share the same failure. I do not lay blame on others and think I'm blameless, but rather stated that I saw something in myself that I also saw in others that was approaching disrespect, which is the entire reason of this thread. That I failed to make that clear earlier is also my failure, but doesn't change the underlying statement here, one that some have noticed. And...I guess it raises a secondary issue of how you refer to some of the ranks these days, since some of the new ones are a mouthful to say, and a handful to type.

"Gosh sir, you use your mouth purtier than a 10 dollar whore!" - from Blazing Saddles

Even on Ventrilo, I'd think some semblance of order should be maintained, especially during any sort of combat duty, in order to make things flow more smoothly. Protocols for referring to various ranks within the military have been established throughout history to ensure the quick and easy following of orders on the battlefield, and also the acknowledgment of station within the military. During the combat exercise yesterday, I saw a general disregard for listening to the captain of the blue team that I was part of. At my very suggestion on Ventrilo that we listen to what he had to say, I was essentially told to be quiet by my teammates. I find that a rather disturbing failure.

Wouldn't the name of the planet be "New Laconia" and the city be "New Sparta"? I mean, historically, that'd be correct...since Sparta was located in the region of Lacon or Laconia. It's where we get the term Laconic from. Sparta was the city state in that region.

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